That Was Then, This Is Now

That Was Then, This Is Now

movie

R, 1985

WISE
62%

WISE Score

6.1

IMDb

Emilio Estevez writes and stars in this gritty S.E. Hinton adaptation about brotherhood, bad choices, and the moment you realize your best friend is a liability.

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MC45
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Screenwise Verdict

This is the 'forgotten' S.E. Hinton movie, and to be honest, it’s forgotten for a reason. It lacks the cinematic magic that Francis Ford Coppola brought to The Outsiders. It’s slow, very 1985, and Emilio Estevez’s mullet is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

That said, if you have a teenager who is currently obsessed with 80s nostalgia or is reading the book in school, it’s a solid piece of realist drama. It doesn't pander, and it treats the internal lives of 'bad kids' with more respect than most modern YA. Just don't expect a fast-paced thriller; this is a moody character study about the end of a friendship.

Age Fit

Best for 13+. It’s standard middle-school reading material, but the film's gritty tone and drug themes make it a better fit for teens who can handle a story where the 'hero' doesn't necessarily win.

WISE Breakdown
Wholesome
48

While it explores themes of loyalty and growing up, the movie is steeped in 80s delinquency, drug dealing, and toxic male friendship dynamics that are more cautionary than aspirational.

Imaginative
35

This is a standard realist drama. It captures a specific time and place well, but it doesn't push creative boundaries or invite the kind of world-building seen in more imaginative works.

Safe
55

It features realistic 80s violence (fights), drug dealing (selling pills to kids), and heavy emotional betrayal. It’s safe in terms of lack of gore or explicit sex, but the thematic content is heavy.

Enriching
82

Based on S.E. Hinton’s writing, it offers a powerhouse look at the painful transition from childhood loyalty to adult morality. It forces viewers to ask: when does 'having someone's back' become 'enabling a criminal'?

Parent Info

Why It Might Be Great

  • Complex Morality: Unlike many modern teen movies, it doesn't offer easy answers about loyalty and betrayal.
  • S.E. Hinton Pedigree: If your kid liked The Outsiders, this is the logical (though darker) next step in exploring class and youth.
  • Real Stakes: The consequences for the characters' actions are permanent and life-altering, providing a solid reality check.
  • Brat Pack History: A fascinating look at Emilio Estevez taking a creative lead by writing the screenplay himself.

What to Watch For

  • The drug dealing plot involves the protagonist's foster brother selling pills to younger kids, which leads to a tragic overdose of a secondary character.
  • There is a scene involving a brutal 'hair-cutting' assault that is emotionally jarring and physically rough.
  • The ending is notoriously bleak and offers no easy resolution or 'happy' reconciliation.

Conversation Starters

  • "Is there ever a point where you should choose the law over your best friend?"
  • "Why do you think Mark was unable to change while Bryon was able to grow up?"
  • "How did Cathy's presence change the dynamic between the two brothers?"
  • "Do you think Bryon did the 'right' thing at the end, or was he just being cold?"

Deep Dive

The 'Outsiders' Cousin

If The Outsiders is a romanticized, golden-hued look at youth, That Was Then, This Is Now is the cold shower that follows. Released in 1985, the film stars Emilio Estevez—who also wrote the screenplay—and Craig Sheffer as Bryon and Mark, two foster brothers who have spent their lives as a two-man gang.

The central friction is one that almost every teenager eventually feels: the moment your best friend starts going down a path you can no longer follow. While Bryon starts to look at the world with a sense of responsibility (partly due to a new girlfriend and partly due to seeing the effects of violence), Mark is stuck in a cycle of impulsivity and crime.

Why It Struggles Today

Modern kids used to the high-octane pacing of Netflix dramas might find this movie incredibly slow. The 'action' is mostly internal, and the 80s production values make it feel like a very high-budget after-school special. However, the scene where Bryon discovers Mark’s stash of drugs remains a masterclass in tension. It’s a moment of pure, agonizing decision-making that still lands today.

How to Use It

This is a great 'comparison' movie. If your kid is reading the book, watch the movie and talk about the changes—particularly the ending. The book’s ending is even bleaker than the film’s, and discussing why the filmmakers might have softened (or sharpened) certain edges is a great way to talk about media literacy and storytelling choices. It’s not a 'fun' watch, but it is a meaningful one.

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